Fast Vs. Extra Fast

[Mccallister25]

I just recently bought a Sellus from a buddy, and its an x-fast model. Ill be using it for my jig fishing, when Im typically used to fishing with a regular fast tip. Should I expect a significant difference in hooksets?

[Smallmouth Hunter]

If you use braid you will get bad hook ups since there will be virtually no give it the rod/line.

[Mccallister25]

I use 15# big game.

[Mikell]

I just recently bought a Sellus from a buddy, and its an x-fast model. Ill be using it for my jig fishing, when Im typically used to fishing with a regular fast tip. Should I expect a significant difference in hooksets?

Id like to know how this rod handles if you get a chance man, Ive been wanting to get an x-fast rod for jigging and such

[smalljaw67]

With the line you are using you will like ther extra fast action for jigs and worms, you will have more sensitivity and the added backbone will compensate for line stretch.

[JGBassinAL]

I like a moderate fast tip when I am jig fishing. But most companies rod ratings are so different that the Sellus' extra fast tip could be like a fast tip in another rod...

[aavery2]

I like a moderate fast tip when I am jig fishing. But most companies rod ratings are so different that the Sellus' extra fast tip could be like a fast tip in another rod...

Why do you like a moderate fast tip for jig fishing?  What line do you find it works well with?   Do you feel like you are still getting good hooksets?   What about sensitivity do you feel like your giving some away with a softer tip?   What type of jigs are you using this rod with, football, pitching/flipping, swimming, shakey head?   

 

 

Just curious.

[JGBassinAL]

Why do you like a moderate fast tip for jig fishing?  What line do you find it works well with?   Do you feel like you are still getting good hooksets?   What about sensitivity do you feel like your giving some away with a softer tip?   What type of jigs are you using this rod with, football, pitching/flipping, swimming, shakey head?   

 

 

Just curious.

 

The rod I use is a 7'4" heavy with a moderate fast tip. The moderate fast tip isn't the same as a mod fast tip on a cranking rod. I have found that I get better hooksets and lose less fish when I use mod fast tip. I throw either 17 or 20 lb fluorocarbon, and I feel like I have more sensitivity with the softer tip. I can really feel what my bait is going over with that little extra give in the tip. I throw mostly football jigs with it, as it is my casting jig rod for ledges. But I have also flipped lay downs with it using brush jigs and such. Never used it for swimming a jig, I use a glass rod for that. And I throw shakey heads on a spinning setup. 

 

Check this video out by Matt Allen of * about mod fast action for jigs:  http://*.com/proper-rod-action-jigs/

[aavery2]

The rod I use is a 7'4" heavy with a moderate fast tip. The moderate fast tip isn't the same as a mod fast tip on a cranking rod. I have found that I get better hooksets and lose less fish when I use mod fast tip. I throw either 17 or 20 lb fluorocarbon, and I feel like I have more sensitivity with the softer tip. I can really feel what my bait is going over with that little extra give in the tip. I throw mostly football jigs with it, as it is my casting jig rod for ledges. But I have also flipped lay downs with it using brush jigs and such. Never used it for swimming a jig, I use a glass rod for that. And I throw shakey heads on a spinning setup. 

 

Check this video out by Matt Allen of * about mod fast action for jigs:  http://*.com/proper-rod-action-jigs/

Watched the video, thanks for the link.   He seems to have figured out what works for him and that is most important.  I think his line of thinking defies conventional wisdom somewhat.   Typically, sensitivity is the result of vibration propagation, the speed at which vibration can travel from the bait through the line, rod and guides and then finally to your finger tips.  Softer/Slower action rods do not transmit vibration as quickly as fast and extra fast action rods, glass is the slowest, so in this respect when you choose slower blanks you lose some sensitivity.   Softer action rods do help keep fish pinned  there is no doubt about it, that is why they make such good treble hook bait rod., When jig fishing you typically have to move a heavy piece of lead and drive a 4/0,5/0 hook home through gill plates, roof of the mouth and a rod with too much flex tends to hamper this by flexing instead of driving.   I read a reply in his comments where he says that Dobyns 765 is an xtra fast or fast taper with a parabolic bend,  these terms by my understanding seem to contradict one another.      I am not sure what it is that he is trying to describe, but rods with a parabolic bend tend to be rated moderate.      At any rate, I am glad that you have found a system that works well for you and your fishing, and thanks for the link and response.

[WRB]

The action has nothing to do with the rods power, it's simply a rating to indicate how the rod bends; extra fast meaning the upper 1/4 of the rod bends first. Your rod could be a 2 power or medium light and good for drop shot, poor for standard weight jigs used for bass fishing.

If the rod is a 4 power or medium heavy, then the extra fast should have good hook setting when using jigs between 3/8 to 3/4 oz.. Extra fast is a little more difficult to cast than the fast action.

Tom

[Mccallister25]

Tom, its a MH. I should have added that. I typically fish with 5/16 oz jigs.

[JGBassinAL]

I have just as good of hooksets with a moderate fast tip as I do with an extra fast tip, and I don't lose as many big fish when they surge under the boat or when they jump because of the extra little bit of tip with the mod fast. That's why I prefer it over the fast and extra fast.

[Montanaro]

I've lost fish using moderate fast action as it gives too much. X fast keeps them pinned...but in reality my fish fighting style probably favors xfast.

[Mikell]

can someone please refer me to a good article on actions and how they work, I was under the impression, because of how "whippy", the front end of the rod is with Xfast that it would have alot of "give" but thats not what im reading on this thread lol not meaning to thread jack but have I been looking at "actions" all wrong lately? lol

[John G]

From the G-Loomis Website.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

can someone please refer me to a good article on actions and how they work, I was under the impression, because of how "whippy", the front end of the rod is with Xfast that it would have alot of "give" but thats not what im reading on this thread lol not meaning to thread jack but have I been looking at "actions" all wrong lately? lol

Read Eddie Taylor's article on this site under the equipment section. He explains rod ratings as well as I've seen. I like XF actions for deep water and light bites. F & XF are subjective terms too as has been pointed out. The action of the rod has nothing to do with how stiff the tip is. For example a "popping" used for top waters and casting live bait has a fast action but a soft tip. This helps keep the bait from getting torn up casting.

[aavery2]

can someone please refer me to a good article on actions and how they work, I was under the impression, because of how "whippy", the front end of the rod is with Xfast that it would have alot of "give" but thats not what im reading on this thread lol not meaning to thread jack but have I been looking at "actions" all wrong lately? lol

 

can someone please refer me to a good article on actions and how they work, I was under the impression, because of how "whippy", the front end of the rod is with Xfast that it would have alot of "give" but thats not what im reading on this thread lol not meaning to thread jack but have I been looking at "actions" all wrong lately? lol

I think you got it backwards, fast and extra fast actions are more stiff in the tip of the rod because less of the tip is flexing, moderate and moderate fast are more "whippy" as you describe because they tend to bend much deeper into the rod.

[Mikell]

I think you got it backwards, fast and extra fast actions are more stiff in the tip of the rod because less of the tip is flexing, moderate and moderate fast are more "whippy" as you describe because they tend to bend much deeper into the rod.

idk man thay sellus mh xfast i tried at dicks sporting goods is pretty whippy i can tap the back bone section and that tip starts flailing around pretty rapidly of course its jus the tip section i know modfast the whole rod is whippy but the sellus mhxf tip is super whippy baha

[aavery2]

idk man thay sellus mh xfast i tried at dicks sporting goods is pretty whippy i can tap the back bone section and that tip starts flailing around pretty rapidly of course its jus the tip section i know modfast the whole rod is whippy but the sellus mhxf tip is super whippy baha

I would not know, I have never played with that model rod.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

idk man thay sellus mh xfast i tried at dicks sporting goods is pretty whippy i can tap the back bone section and that tip starts flailing around pretty rapidly of course its jus the tip section i know modfast the whole rod is whippy but the sellus mhxf tip is super whippy baha

This is another example of what I said above. The tip may be soft without necessarily being a slow action. The resonance you're seeing is what we refer to in custom rod circles as the rod's speed ( separate from action). A rod with a faster resonance (as in returning to still after being put in motion sooner than another) will be more sensitive and crisp. All these aspects are measurable with the system called CCS. This being used more widely in fly fishing circles but I don't see any traction among OTC rod manufacturers. Trial and error and posting for other's experiences as you've done are your best bet to find what you're looking for. Unfortunately it won't be directly related to any labeled spec. 

[Mikell]

anybody know how the compre mhxf fishes?

[Mikell]

anybody know how the compre mhxf fishes?